Re: Single parents 'must seek work to keep benefits'

by Old_Punk Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:32 pm

Truthy wrote:While immigration has stretched education resources like all others the decline in education standards in British schools is largely down to the British themselves. Certain sections of the British population seem to be anti-education regardless of wether or not they are from 1 or 2 parent families.
Asians actually do better in education in Britain than the indigenous population or so results show and many Asians are now 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation now and speak english anyway so the small problem with immigration in education is largely with newer arrivals.
The two-parent Asian families also put far more emphasise on their children to do well in education than the indigenous British do overall.

Although immigration has put a strain on schools I don't think the decline in educational standards has anything to do with immigration itelf, it is largely down to the British themselves and I don't think it makes a difference wether those kids come from one or two parent families either.

When I was a kid at school in the 1960's there were kids from all different backgrounds and of different nationalities even then and standards were much higher.

the evidence is in the amount of Asians on Jeremy Kyle Laughing

by Truthy Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:00 pm

Old_Punk wrote:
Truthy wrote:While immigration has stretched education resources like all others the decline in education standards in British schools is largely down to the British themselves. Certain sections of the British population seem to be anti-education regardless of wether or not they are from 1 or 2 parent families.
Asians actually do better in education in Britain than the indigenous population or so results show and many Asians are now 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation now and speak english anyway so the small problem with immigration in education is largely with newer arrivals.
The two-parent Asian families also put far more emphasise on their children to do well in education than the indigenous British do overall.

Although immigration has put a strain on schools I don't think the decline in educational standards has anything to do with immigration itelf, it is largely down to the British themselves and I don't think it makes a difference wether those kids come from one or two parent families either.

When I was a kid at school in the 1960's there were kids from all different backgrounds and of different nationalities even then and standards were much higher.

the evidence is in the amount of Asians on Jeremy Kyle

There are very rarely any people from ethnic minority backgrounds on Jeremy Kyle. Do you think it has a preference for the indigenous people?

Should Kyle be taken to the Equal Opportunities Commision for the lack of ethnic miniorities on his programme? Laughing

by **Syl** Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:50 pm

thedelboy wrote:Syl I have to disagree on that one where are the stats that say Asians have more offspring? I come from a Catholic Family we all have a few kids and a lot of cousins uncles etc etc. In some areas yes you do have a large percentage of immigrants but that is because they look out for each other and tend to group together , I remember when the British had proper communities; nowadays what has happened you get some idiots on an estate who terrorise not only the ethnic minorities but also their own culture !! Just look at the Poor woman who burned herself to death with her Daughter we can not blame anyone but the scum who terrorised her and her family. If they had been from a minority group the police and other authorities as well as there own ethnic group would have had it stopped before it got so far

I dont know what the statistics show, I am going of the what I see here. Are you Irish Catholic Del? I know they tend to have larger familys, (or did have) Thanks to good old religious teachings.

I dont know whether we have a larger percentage of Asian familys in this area, the ones I know tend to have minimum of 3 kids, I think thats higher than the average English person now.

I also know a couple of people who work in this particular school. They say the standard of education has dropped, because many of the new arrivals cant speak English properly.

The case you referred to was horrendous. Dregs of society running riot, ruining decent peoples lives.
I did say on that thread, if people stopped looking the other way, and acted BEFORE a situation like this arose, that tragedy might have been prevented.

by **thedelboy** Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:58 pm

Syl I do have Irish within the family but its a couple of generations gone "The Laffertys" of southern Ireland but my main part is Scotland ! I also have Derbyshire due to my fathers mother and Yorkshire through my Fathers father(wilcockson and Waterfalls) I have my mothers name though ( Very Happy

bloody hippies) lol!

It really does depend on where you live as a lot of minorities stick together and become comunities (for self protection from what I can see) we used to be the same it would be families stayed in the village or the surrounding area but we seem to have lost real family values nowadays which is shamefull Embarassed

by Old_Punk Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:06 pm

by **Syl** Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:14 pm

I agree about us losing family values Del. Even the simple things like eating together has gone for many. It sounds simple, but its the everyday things like that, that once eroded, splits families apart. Everyone is in their own room, communication has gone, families are'nt close, like they were a generation ago.
Also nobody watches out for anyone else anymore.
I also agree with what you say about ethnic families. They do stick together, just like the jews did, so do the Asians. They live, work, and socialise together. We have Indian neighbours. A large and lovely family. There is more laughter comes out of that house than any other on the street.

by **thedelboy** Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:17 pm

Syl I make sure friday evening and sundays are for my family and yes we still eat round the table (when the buggers turn up)

by Truthy Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:24 am

I remember as a kid people used to say that the tv was killing off family life but in those days we'd all sit around and watch it together. Today there's a tv in every room of most family homes and they don't even watch it together anymore.

Society as a whole needs to slow down and take it easier. Higher living standards aren't always what they are cracked up to be.

by **Syl** Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:33 am

So true. I know quite a few families, just ordinary run of the mill Mum, Dad, 2 kids, they have Plasma TV's, state of the art music systems, brand new car changed every couple of years, easy come easy go lifestyle. Yet they NEVER eat together, go out together, and they say a family holiday is out of reach. Priorities are all wrong IMO.

by Truthy Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:48 am

Whatever the case is Syl its a sorry state of affairs and one that I doubt will ever be rectified unless something drastic happens.

by Old_Punk Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:42 pm

Revolution!!!

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