Single parents 'must seek work to keep benefits'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6432104/Single-parents-must-seek-work-to-keep-benefits.html#

Do you think this is a good reform, or ought single parents be allowed to stay at home unfettered

Some single parents have no choice but to stay at home, especially if the kiddies are young....

Tytonidae wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6432104/Single-parents-must-seek-work-to-keep-benefits.html#

Do you think this is a good reform, or ought single parents be allowed to stay at home unfettered

for many years now this new law has been talked about. so it does not come as a shock, single parents have had enough time to get used to the idea.
i think it will help to dismantle the benefits culture, BUT it will only work for mums who genuinely want to work.



now, OP, here is the one million dollar question:
WHERE ARE ALL THESE EXTRA JOBS GONNA COME FROM????

Personally I like the idea of parents being at home with their children till they start Senior school. Thats in an ideal world though, and lots of mothers dont want to do that, even if financially they have the choice.

I think if their benefits are being cut, workplaces should make it more widespread, to arrange people to work more convienient hours, to fit around school time. I know some firms do this already.

School holidays are a huge problem though. In my day, the ideal job for many mums was to be a ' dinner lady' at school. Unfortunately, there are far more kids than vacancies in that field.

If changes are being made, re benefits, the Government is going to have to make child minding, nurseries, day care ect, more affordable and accessable. Opening up schools for supervised after hours activitys would be one step foreward.

Syl wrote:Personally I like the idea of parents being at home with their children till they start Senior school. Thats in an ideal world though, and lots of mothers dont want to do that, even if financially they have the choice.

I think if their benefits are being cut, workplaces should make it more widespread, to arrange people to work more convienient hours, to fit around school time. I know some firms do this already.

School holidays are a huge problem though. In my day, the ideal job for many mums was to be a ' dinner lady' at school. Unfortunately, there are far more kids than vacancies in that field.

If changes are being made, re benefits, the Government is going to have to make child minding, nurseries, day care ect, more affordable and accessable. Opening up schools for supervised after hours activitys would be one step foreward.

My mum was a dinner lady at my junior school and always made sure i got extra lol.

I too prefer parent at home whilst the child is very young but this proposal seems reasonable.
I wonder if it's aimed at changing the thinking a bit on this having another, then another kid to provide continual means of support!

Its more government twaddle to make the poor worse off. If they slash benefits its the kids who will suffer besides where are these jobs going to come from - out of thin air?

Another reason why nu-Labour are as bad as the Tories

I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

Truthy wrote:Its more government twaddle to make the poor worse off. If they slash benefits its the kids who will suffer besides

where are these jobs going to come from - out of thin air?

exactly!! same thing with the tories, who want nearly all claimants thrown off sickness benefit and on to the jobs market. they all talk the talk, i'd like to see them walk the walk. sickness benefit malingerers annoy me, but where are these jobs gonna come from??

Syl wrote:I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

It's where my thinking is S yl. Something has changed in the mind-set of people and its high time it was changed back!

There are jobs, anyway it would be no reason to stay on the sick Canny, they must at least seek work...

CannyX wrote:

Truthy wrote:Its more government twaddle to make the poor worse off. If they slash benefits its the kids who will suffer besides

where are these jobs going to come from - out of thin air?

exactly!! same thing with the tories, who want nearly all claimants thrown off sickness benefit and on to the jobs market. they all talk the talk, i'd like to see them walk the walk. sickness benefit malingerers annoy me, but where are these jobs gonna come from??

If you knew how hard it was too claim sickness benefit then you'd know that the stories the government and the media portray of the vast majority of people on sickness benefit is a false one. They pick on a handful of cases and then portray all claimants to be in this category. These remember are the lying scumbags who fiddled their expenses

Tytonidae wrote:

Syl wrote:I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

It's where my thinking is S yl. Something has changed in the mind-set of people and its high time it was changed back!

Back to my old mantra....Educate.

Tytonidae wrote:There are jobs, anyway it would be no reason to stay on the sick Canny, they must at least seek work...

Where in La-La land?

Morrissons, Tesco

Tytonidae wrote:

Syl wrote:I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

It's where my thinking is S yl. Something has changed in the mind-set of people and its high time it was changed back!

Syl - In many cases people do plan their families but with divorce and relationship break-up so common it is no wonder there are so many one-parent families. They are not all iresponsible young women as the media like to portray them. BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Tytonidae - People's thinking will never change back to the way it was. We have the culture that the politicians, media and capitalists created and now as usual they attack the poor and defenceless when their vision of society has gone wrong. BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Tytonidae wrote:Morrissons, Tesco

None of my local supermarkets appear to be short of staff. I doubt if they could all find work there

Truthy wrote:

Tytonidae wrote:

Syl wrote:I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

It's where my thinking is S yl. Something has changed in the mind-set of people and its high time it was changed back!

Syl - In many cases people do plan their families but with divorce and relationship break-up so common it is no wonder there are so many one-parent families. They are not all iresponsible young women as the media like to portray them. BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Tytonidae - People's thinking will never change back to the way it was. We have the culture that the politicians, media and capitalists created and now as usual they attack the poor and defenceless when their vision of society has gone wrong.

BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

you sound a bit cross today truthy love, what's up??

CannyX wrote:

Truthy wrote:

Tytonidae wrote:

Syl wrote:I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

It's where my thinking is S yl. Something has changed in the mind-set of people and its high time it was changed back!

Syl - In many cases people do plan their families but with divorce and relationship break-up so common it is no wonder there are so many one-parent families. They are not all iresponsible young women as the media like to portray them. BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Tytonidae - People's thinking will never change back to the way it was. We have the culture that the politicians, media and capitalists created and now as usual they attack the poor and defenceless when their vision of society has gone wrong.

BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

you sound a bit cross today truthy love, what's up??

He's lost his black fleece.....

Truthy - I've always been a wooly lefty but there's NOTHING poor and defenceless about the poor and defenceless in this country!! You condemn them to this unaspirational way of life with your blaming and excusing. Encourage them to have pride and get back in touch with life and work because its a huge, wonderful world out there, but despite their 50" TV, the offspring of these benefit culture families will never experience it!

Tytonidae wrote:Truthy - I've always been a wooly lefty but there's NOTHING poor and defenceless about the poor and defenceless in this country!! You condemn them to this unaspirational way of life with your blaming and excusing. Encourage them to have pride and get back in touch with life and work because its a huge, wonderful world out there, but despite their 50" TV, the offspring of these benefit culture families will never experience it!

From reading some of your posts you don't come across as a wooly lefty to me but more like a Telegraph reading Thatcherite. Like your views on immigration you seem to be out of touch with reality. While the poverty in Britain is not on a par with the developing world it is still by British standards poverty. I live on a council estate and i'd love to know where all these people with 50" TV's are. Most people I know who are on benefits struggle from one week to the next often going without what the rest take for granted. Neither do they lack pride they just get on with life the best they can.

We have amongst the lowest level of benefits in western Europe and one of the reasons you see so many immigrants working today while others sit idle on benefits is because wages for ordinary peple are often little better. That's the price to pay for Thatcher's privatisation and smashing of the Unions in the 1980's and the madness of nu-Labour's immigration policies.

CannyX wrote:

Truthy wrote:

Tytonidae wrote:

Syl wrote:I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

It's where my thinking is S yl. Something has changed in the mind-set of people and its high time it was changed back!

Syl - In many cases people do plan their families but with divorce and relationship break-up so common it is no wonder there are so many one-parent families. They are not all iresponsible young women as the media like to portray them. BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Tytonidae - People's thinking will never change back to the way it was. We have the culture that the politicians, media and capitalists created and now as usual they attack the poor and defenceless when their vision of society has gone wrong.

BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

you sound a bit cross today truthy love, what's up??

IT'S THE WRONG TIME OF THE MONTH

Truthy wrote:

Tytonidae wrote:

Syl wrote:I do despair though that one parent familys seem to be the norm now. If people PLANNED their familys, instead of breeding thoughtlessly, their would be a lot less one parent familys, so a lot less people depending on benefits.

It's where my thinking is S yl. Something has changed in the mind-set of people and its high time it was changed back!

Syl - In many cases people do plan their families but with divorce and relationship break-up so common it is no wonder there are so many one-parent families. They are not all iresponsible young women as the media like to portray them. BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Tytonidae - People's thinking will never change back to the way it was. We have the culture that the politicians, media and capitalists created and now as usual they attack the poor and defenceless when their vision of society has gone wrong. BLAME THE MEDIA AND THE POLITICIANS WHO CREATED THE SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Some one parent familys are there through divorce, death, or other circumstance beyond their control, I know that. Many are wonderful parents. I was brought up by a solo parent, and she did a marvelous job of rearing us, and juggling 2 or 3 cleaning jobs at the same time. She did,nt ask for or recieve state handouts.

Many one parent familys today, have one or more children, with different dads, some dont even know who the dad is!! I dont blame the media, I blame irressponsible parenting, and also bad teaching. Educate our kids to KNOW that there is a world out there, for them. Show them that there is more to life than pushing a buggy up the high street, with a couple of kids in tow.

Not all kids can be clever and expect to go to University. But sometimes I think the mainstream kids are undervalued, so they have no faith in themselves, and no future to look foreward to.

That's because there's a changing reality on the issues. You're stuck in the past Truthy. I believe in a decent welfare system, vote for it, argue for it, I've marched against and slated the same things as you;Thatcherism is a dirty word in my mouth but it's time you had a wake up call because there's an underclass in this country that takes the piss!! - and what do my view on immigration have to do with the rest of the thrust of your post - wanting free movement of people isn't right wing Truthy - you seem mixed up to me..

Evening Primrose anyone?